Juan María Jauregui's memorial destroyed

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

First, I want to point out that I have been censored twice. You might not like it but ETA is, by far, the best known genuinely Basque export .

For those of you who still think the Basque Country is heaven, here you have more food for thought,

http://www.elcorreodigital.com/vizcaya/ ... 71343.html

Victims are not only killed, but their memorials attacked in the aftermath!

[buber]

You are censored because you are here solely to provoke, not for any other reason. I ask you to stop posting notes that you intend to be nothing but inflamatory. You know, by your use of smileys, that you are here to do nothing but provoke people.

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

You are censored because you are here solely to provoke, not for any other reason. I ask you to stop posting notes that you intend to be nothing but inflamatory. You know, by your use of smileys, that you are here to do nothing but provoke people.

WOW! Provoking because of the use of smileys? Really? You guys have a very weird heart.
It seems that the explosion of several hundreds of dynamite intended to kill as many guardia civil members (and their families) as possible by Basque terrorist didn't do anything to affect your feelings. Now, I bring the issue here and I am provoking.

I think that if you asked to the several hundreds of victims of ETA, they would love to trade positions with you guys. I am sure that they would love to have as their greatest issue to be provoked by smileys but have their families intact, as you have.

You guys are really funny. Well, guess what, I intend to continue "provoking" as you call it. And if you censor my postings, or remove my id, I'll create a new one.

ETA will continue to exists as long as people like you provide arguments to justify what they call "their political struggle". If their presence is uncomfortable to you, removing me will not make them go away. If you want to see them go away, you should fight as hard taken arguments from them as you do justifying their imaginary problems.

[buber]

When I created this forum, especially the Political topic, I expressly stated:

This forum is for discussing the politics of the Basque Country. Please limit discussions to asking questions or about the implications of important events. Please do not use it to expouse certain views or be preachy about one side or the other. If the forum is abused, I may be forced to delete it.

You have not respected my wishes. You automatically lump all who are friends of the Basque culture as ETA. For you, there is only ETA or anti-Basque, nothing more. You cannot respect the views of the people who are on this forum. Please, just leave.

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

You automatically lump all who are friends of the Basque culture as ETA.

That isn't true my friend. I remind you that I was one of the organizers of Joseba Arregi's event at Stanford, where he pronounced some words in Basque language. Your problem my friend, is that you still continue to identify "Basque Nationalism's cultural agenda" with "Basque culture". A very narrow view I must say since the most successful Basques on the cultural arena today are people like Mikel Erentxun or La Oreja both of which have also sung in Basque language. You are the one who wants to impose "speaking Basque language", "wearing a txapela" and a long laundry list of things onto people for you to call them Basque.

For you, there is only ETA or anti-Basque, nothing more. You cannot respect the views of the people who are on this forum. Please, just leave.

For me people like you justify ETA's existence. The difference between what you just said and my point is quite clear. The day ETA understands that the Basque society is indeed plural, that its crazy independence dreams are only supported by a minority of Basques in Spain (and steadfastly rejected by most Navarrese and French Basques) that many Basques are happy with having Spanish or French as their only mother tongue and they don't intend to change that (all while they respect that other people might have Basque language as their mother tongue), they day they understand that the institutions of the CAV and Navarra is what their citizens have endowed themselves as the the instrument to manage the current political reality of those territories, that day my friend, they would have no choice but to stop killing unconditionally and ask for forgiveness to the victims of their craziness.

In the mean while, people like you will have to ask yourselves to what point you have contributed to ETA's continued existence, http://www.buber.net/Basque/Notes/rebuttal.html . Nice defense of people who were ultimately banned for their links to ETA (or because being in fact part of ETA).

[ieup]

A very narrow view I must say since the most successful Basques on the cultural arena today are people like Mikel Erentxun or La Oreja both of which have also sung in Basque language. You are the one who wants to impose "speaking Basque language", "wearing a txapela" and a long laundry list of things onto people for you to call them Basque

Thats very wide angle of view, give me your glasses

Whow!!!!! Now i see the truth


Here, i an example of the basque culture, Niambo Gurtukulu and his friends , born in Bilbao (the friends too), showing the tipical basque dress.




And here is Iñaxi Agirregomezkortadelaeta , born in Abuja (Nigeria), Showing the distintive Nigerian rural sports.

In the mean while, people like you will have to ask yourselves to what point you have contributed to ETA's continued existence, http://www.buber.net/Basque/Notes/rebuttal.html . Nice defense of people who were ultimately banned for their links to ETA (or because being in fact part of ETA).

ETA, ETA, ETA, ETA, ETA, ETA, all is ETA

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

Thats very wide angle of view, give me your glasses

ETA, ETA, ETA, ETA, ETA, ETA, all is ETA

Pay attention to your use of smileis, you are"provoking" people and might be asked to leave the forum .

[Balkiadin Balkibil]

You might not like it but ETA is, by far, the best known genuinely Basque export

The cat comes out of the Falangist bag!!

The Vascophobe admits that Euskal Herria is a separate country!!

(One cannot "export" things within national boundaries.)

Incidentally, I think many if not most readers will recall how Franco's page-boy, Mr Jose Maria Aznar, tried to blame the Madrid bombings on ETA, when in fact he knew perfectly well that the real perpetrator was Al-Qaeda.

Some people have ETA on the brain.

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

Some people have ETA on the brain.

And some other have just Franco and Dams . It doesn't matter what the discussion is about, you'll always end up accusing those who criticize Basque Nationalism of being Fracoists and bringing in the Itoiz Dam.

Big difference, in case you weren't aware of it, Franco died more than 30 years ago. In case you weren't aware of it either, the Itoiz Dam didn't kill anybody. However, your ETA friends continue their senseless campaign of killing innocents. You have a weird mind; events from the past seem to affect you more than the horrible atrocities of the present. Wait a minute? Isn't that what Basque Nationalism is all about? Distortion of history to justify "mental masturbation" ideas?

[Balkiadin Balkibil]

Some people have ETA on the brain.

And some other have just Franco and Dams . It doesn't matter what the discussion is about, you'll always end up accusing those who criticize Basque Nationalism of being Fracoists and bringing in the Itoiz Dam.

But Franco existed and killed millions. And the Itoitz Dam is reality today (notice he refuses to use the correct Basque spelling).

Big difference, in case you weren't aware of it, Franco died more than 30 years ago.

So did Adolf Hitler. Are you saying we should we ignore the Second World and the Holocaust? Well, I suppose we have to, by your reckoning, because your darling General Franco was Hitler's friend and ally (and Franco supported Hitler's policy against the Jews, remember).

In case you weren't aware of it either, the Itoiz Dam didn't kill anybody.

It killed a part of the Basque soul. Which was the intention.

You could say the same about Ceausescu's "systematisation" programme, of course - technically, it didn't kill anyone. I guess you support that too.

However, your ETA friends continue their senseless campaign of killing innocents.

Including Admiral Luis Carrero Blanco? You've still to answer my oft-repeated question, lest we forget.

You have a weird mind;

Look who's talking!!!???

events from the past seem to affect you more than the horrible atrocities of the present. Wait a minute? Isn't that what Basque Nationalism is all about? Distortion of history to justify "mental masturbation" ideas?

This guy is a crude, racist bigot who calls Basques "Neanderthals". He trolls on internet sites because he is too chicken to argue with Basques face-to-face (if he met a group of real Basque nationalists in the street, he would run a mile - to the nearest Guardia Civil station). This is something the cloak of anonymity allows him to do. It also permits him to indulge in Walter Mitty fantasies unchallenged. Does he really work for Stanford University? If so, who is he, and what is his faculty? If Stanford saw what he wrote about Basques on this site, they would sack him, even if his job is to cut the grass.

Oh, and fancy a good Christian boy like "Ibarretxenoatbuber" using words like "masturbation"! Tut, tut, tut.

[ieup]

You have a weird mind; events from the past seem to affect you more than the horrible atrocities of the present

You are saying that the last killed in the bomb is more important that the thousands killed by franco and his team, because is more recent?

Isn't that what Basque Nationalism is all about?

And whats about of spanish nationalism? A nation made by cooperation democracy freedom respeting the cultures ...... ya.... a big free one


The only thing that i know of you is that you are in a basque forum posting your knowledge of basque culture= ETA. If you are bored, can you investigate why PP don´t damn francos dictatorship?. Then i will give you more tasks.

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

A lot of bullshit...

I give you a little bit of relevance and you come back with your crap. Go to hell my dear.

You are saying that the last killed in the bomb is more important that the thousands killed by franco and his team, because is more recent?

I am saying the recent bomb is the current reality of the Basque Country, the reality that impacts the life of their current people and will continue to do so for future generations if it continues this way. However despicable Franco's crimes were, he is part of history; ETA is part of the present. It's easy to condemn atrocities committed by a past, but dead and currently inactive, regime. However, it takes a lot of courage to oppose the current tyranny by ETA. The record of the Basque society at large in that respect is very sloppy. But I am not very surprised either. In that respect the Basque society is no different from other societies who experienced ethnic hate promoted from the top of the political leaders. One of the most appalling exercises is to read these statistics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ri ... by_country . Germany, was the most cultured and advanced civilization of its time (BTW, light years beyond what the Basque society will ever produce) yet their general population was completely insensitive to the genocide against the Jews (and others) committed by their leaders. Less than 500 in that list? Germany had during world war II ~ 70 million people. According to different statistics only about 1% of Germans helped in some way or another those groups of people persecuted by the Nazi regime.

The only thing that i know of you is that you are in a basque forum posting your knowledge of basque culture= ETA. If you are bored, can you investigate why PP don´t damn francos dictatorship?.
Then i will give you more tasks.

Again, Franco is dead. Your ETA friends are not. I know that Basque <> ETA. However, the administrator of this site buys into the argument Basque = "whatever Basque Nationalism says is Basque". I don't buy that. However I do think that Basque Nationalism provides ETA with justifications for their existence.

And BTW, I have better things to do than working for somebody like you. Again, Basque-ombliguismo at display here!

[Balkiadin Balkibil]

First he describes Basques as "Neanderthals". Then he says this:-

Germany, was the most cultured and advanced civilization of its time (BTW, light years beyond what the Basque society will ever produce)

Is this kind of racist bigotry rife in Spain, or is "Ibarretxenoatbuber" the exception?

And BTW, I have better things to do than working for somebody like you.

Did I hear the word "work"? Does someone really employ you, "Ibarretxenoatbuber"? Doing what, if I may be so bold as to ask? Sweeping leaves? Cleaning khazis? What is patently obvious is that Stanford University wouldn't touch you with a bargepole. Not as a lecturer, not as a technician, not as a bogwasher. You are simply not intelligent enough.

Generally, I don't waste my time baiting trolls. I don't want to give them the attention they crave. But you are using a Basque site to spread racist poison. I think that is out of order. And you need to be told so.

Go and plague someone else, you sad little loser.

[ibarretxenoatbuber]

Did I hear the word "work"? Does someone really employ you, "Ibarretxenoatbuber"? Doing what, if I may be so bold as to ask? Sweeping leaves? Cleaning khazis? What is patently obvious is that Stanford University wouldn't touch you with a bargepole. Not as a lecturer, not as a technician, not as a bogwasher. You are simply not intelligent enough.
Generally, I don't waste my time baiting trolls. I don't want to give them the attention they crave. But you are using a Basque site to spread racist poison. I think that is out of order. And you need to be told so.
Go and plague someone else, you sad little loser.

Envy is one of the so called Seven deadly sins. Not that I am particularly religious, but if the Roman Catholic Church decided to include it in the list, I am sure they had a good reason .

You want to be part of Stanford? Well, come here, and apply for any of the jobs you are disdaining in your tantrum. You can even try to come in by applying as an undergrad or grad student. However, given your poor skills, it's unlikely you'll be admitted.

Our dear Provost Etchemendy had to postpone his admission to Stanford for his PhD (he was rejected for his undergrad; not sure if that was a good thing for the university since he got his brain washed by the political machine of the Basque Government at the University of Nevada, Reno) and then he was admitted to Philosophy, one of the most irrelevant fields of study at Stanford. How he got the promotion from chair of one of the least influential departments at Stanford (Philosophy) to Provost is anybody's guess (bypassing the administrative role that most previous provosts had gone through, the leadership of a major school). Well, it was the late nineties and the Valley was going through a period of craziness that resulted in many dumb decisions, including promoting him. He has tried to abuse his position to promote his Basque Nationalist agenda with very little success so far. He first sponsored a class of Basque Nationalism (disguised under the title "Basque Studies") which only managed to get the attention of 17 undergrads (most of which already had families/friends of Basque descent); the class wasn't offered this year (I suppose due to lack of demand) he then tried to bring the chief the of proselytizers, and he caused a protest campaign of international proportions that prompted the president of Stanford, Mr Hennessy, to ask the protesters to bring on campus a counter point. Well, if you keep trying, you might even become the next provost!

[Balkiadin Balkibil]

Your problem, "Ibarretxenoatbuber", is not just lack of intelligence, but a complete absence of emotional maturity. You talk like one of those snivelly-nosed little brats who used to flock round the playground bully hoping to bask in his glory, even though they were too cowardly to say "boo" to a goose on their own. I've got you to a tee, haven't I?

Now, you'd better take a geography lesson, "Ibarretxenoatbuber". Because one of these days someone is going to ask you where Stanford is! Go to Waterstone's and get yourself a map.